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영어 공부 합시다! Hi, nice to meet you. Anyone who is interested in learning English add me as your friend, please. I’ll appreciate it. And if you’re learning Korean, I’ll try to help you. I'm a 29-year-old man and i like traveling. I’ve been to Thailand and some other countries. It was good experience. As opportunity offers, I’d like to visit the other countries.

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Hi, I wish I could help you.

‘~게 되다’ means something or someone has been changed to be new situation or states. As you know, It itself can’t be used in speaking. You have to combine with suitable ending of a word when speaking.

‘~게 되다’ is usually translated to ‘become to’, ‘have/has changed to~’, ‘get to~’ or etc. 

Main idea of the form is that something/someone is different from before. And although it seems not to be the passive form, it contains passive meanings such as ‘~without intention, ~by chance or etc’.

학교에 가게 되었어요.

The speaker of the sentence might be a little child who isn’t a student. He/she would be going to school soon. Otherwise, the sentence means the speaker had been suspended from his/her school, and he/she has just been allowed going school again. Or, it might be a particular situation.

As to ~면 and ~거든…

학교에 가면 좋아요. (It’s possible to say. ~면 isn’t used as ‘if’)

학교에 가거든 좋아요. (This is wrong expression and we don’t say like so.)

It’s a little hard to explain why above sentence is awkward.

When we say ~거든, we usually say ~해라 or ~하거라 after it. I think that ‘~거든’ is normally used in imperative statements or request in the conditional mood. Someone else who studies Korean linguistics would be able to clearly answer you.

Here, I’ll give you some examples about ~면 and ~거든.

길이 미끄럽거든 지하철을 이용해라 

= 길이 미끄러우면 지하철을 이용해라

“If the road is very slippery, take the subway.”

도착하거든 인사 말씀을 전해 주세요. 

= 도착하면 인사 말씀을 전해 주세요.

“Please, say hello to him when you arrive.”

“Please, say hello to him if you get there(somewhere)” would be also possible.

Both are right interpretations. It depends on the situations of speaking. 

But, 

봄이 오면 꽃이 핀다 “When spring comes, the flowers bloom.”

봄이 오거든 꽃이 핀다 (WRONG)

In above case, ~면 can’t be exchanged to ~거든.

There mightn’t be clear rules in this. That will defend on a case-by-case basis.
Actually, the both form has their own unique senses in Korean language.


In many cases, ‘~면’ doesn’t mean ‘If’ as you know.

~거든 also can be interpreted in various ways. It depends on its context and the situations. I think ~면 and ~거든 is interchangeable in a lot of cases only when ~거든 is used as the conditional mood. But it won’t be the same. ~거든 contains more complex senses.

There are 4 kinds of usages about ‘~거든’ in Korean dictionary. The first one is for the conditional mood you asked, and another one is seldom used today. The others aren’t related to what you asked and they are totally different from ~면.

I think ~면 is more common rather than ~거든 in the conditional mood.

So, I recommend you using ~면 instead of ~거든 for now. Sometimes, ~거든 could be a poetic expression. But, in a few cases, it tends to be a little impolite.

I hope this article was helpful for you.

Have a good day :)

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poring's notebook entry: May 01, 2011 How are you doing? I am well, thank you. Actually, I’m meeting a good man. He’s a little late today. It’s been more than 30 minutes. He seems to sleep too much. He handed me a cup of warm coffee saying sorry for having been late. He’s a warm-hearted man that much, who is so kind man for me. It is said that the wound of love can be only cured by another love. I didn’t realize that when I was staggering in the separation from you. But, I seem to have changed since I met him. Last night, even while I was very sick, he stayed by my side all night. I was so happy at that time even without you. Whenever walking together, he walks along outside of the sidewalk for me as you did. (He keeps me working the inside of the sidewalk as you did.) Last night, some friends of mine who invited to my birthday party asked me about him. When I said that he’s just a man I know, he seemed to feel hurt. It is said that the wound of love can be only cured by another love. I didn’t realize that when I was staggering in the separation from you. But, I seem to have changed since I met him. Last night, even while I was very sick, he stayed by my side all night. I was so happy at that time even without you. I know that he is a quite good man. I know that, but why are things being seen for you. (She is seeing things.) Your way of speaking and even your habits are found from him. Love seems not to be cured by another love. He always reminds me of you. I’m sorry. I’m probably a fool who can’t do anything without you.
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내 성격에 대하여

대학에 다녔을 때 이초라는 친구가 있었다,이초<strike>가</strike>는 언제라도 <strike>제</strike>자기가 꼭 할 수 있다고 마음을 먹으

면 걱정을 하나도 하지 않는 그런 사람이다. 그(or 그녀 or 걔 or 이초)는 많은 사람 앞에 나가서도 말을 잘

하고 생각을 잘 표현할 수 있다.그래서 외향적이고 활발하다는 소리를 자주

듣는다.그런데 얘가 나의 관대한 성격이 부럽고 배우고 싶다고 한다.나는 이초

<strike>가</strike>의 무슨 일이든 다 두려워하지 않고 용기를 내는 활발하고 자신감이 있는 성격

이 너무 가지고 싶다.반면에 나는 다른 사람을 잘 이해하고 자주 도와줄 수 있

지만 왠지 자신감이 <strike>너무</strike>좀 부족해서 가끔 이런 성격을 <strike>많이 바꾸고 싶다.</strike> 좀 바꾸고 싶을 때가 있다.

성격이 변하는 것은 쉽지<strike>지</strike> 않지만 아무래도 <strike>좋은</strike>( cf.) 방향으로 살아야 된다.<strike>이렇게 되

면</strike>그러면 나중에 <strike>곡</strike>꼭 성공할 것이다.

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이초가 언제라도 제가 꼭 할 수 있다면 걱정을 하나도 하지 않는 그런 사람이다.
-> 이초는 언제나 자기가 마음먹은 일에 대해 별다른 걱정을 하지 않는 그런 사람이다.
-> 이초는 항상 자기가 마음먹은 일은(일을 is also possible) 꼭 해내고야 마는 그런 사람이다. Either of the sentences would be more natural.

많은 사람 앞에 나가서도 말을 잘하고 생각을 잘 표현할 수 있다.
-> 그(or 그녀 or 걔 or 이초)는 많은 사람 앞에 나가서도 말을 잘하고 생각을 잘 표현할 수 있다.
We usually omit subject words, but, in this sentence of your paragraph, you'd better use a subject word. If not it could be a bit equivocal.

성격이 변하는 것은 쉽지 않지만 아무래도 <strike>좋은</strike> 방향으로 살아야 된다.
You should change '좋은' in the above sentence. Because the word makes ambiguity.
'그런' or '좀 더 적극적인' would be more suitable.

우아~~~ 상당히 고급어휘와 문장을 구사하시네요!
거의 원어민 수준이신 듯... :)

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A Fool 그대 잘 지내나요 나도 그대 덕분에 건강해요 좋은 사람 만나고 있죠 How are you doing? I am well, thank you. Actually, I’m meeting a good man. 오늘은 좀 늦네요 30분도 넘었죠 그 남자 정말 잠이 많나봐요 He’s a little late today. It’s been more than 30 minutes. He seems to sleep too much. 늦어서 미안하다면서 따뜻한 커피를 내게 건네죠 He handed me a cup of warm coffee saying sorry for having been late. 가슴도 그만큼 따뜻한 남자죠 내겐 정말 착한 사람 He’s a warm-hearted man that much, who is so kind man for me. 사랑은 사랑으로 지워진댔어요 이별에 휘청일 땐 몰랐었는데 It is said that the wound of love can be only cured by another love. I didn’t realize that when I was staggering in the separation from you. 그 사람을 만나고 내가 달라졌나봐요 But, I seem to have changed since I met him. 지난 밤 내가 많이 아팠을 때에도 밤새도록 내 곁에 있어준 사람 Last night, even while I was very sick, he stayed by my side all night. 그 땐 정말 행복했죠 그대가 없는데도 I was so happy at that time even without you. 길을 걸을 때마다 날 왼편에 세우죠 그대도 내게 그랬었잖아요 Whenever walking together, he walks along outside of the sidewalk for me as you did. 어젯밤 내 생일에 모인 나의 친구들이 그를 물었죠 Last night, some friends of mine who invited to my birthday party asked me about him. 아는 오빠라고 내가 말 했을 때 많이 서운했나봐요 When I said that he’s just a man I know, he seemed to feel hurt. 사랑은 사랑으로 지워진댔어요 이별에 휘청일 땐 몰랐었는데 It is said that the wound of love can be only cured by another love. I didn’t realize that when I was staggering in the separation from you. 그 사람을 만나고 내가 달라졌나봐요 But, I seem to have changed since I met him. 지난 밤 내가 많이 아팠을 때에도 밤새도록 내 곁에 있어준 사람 Last night, even while I was very sick, he stayed by my side all night. 그 땐 정말 행복했죠 그대가 없는데도 I was so happy at that time even without you. 정말 좋은 남잔거 알아요 아는데 왜 그대가 보이는거죠 I know that he is a quite good man. I know that, but why are things being seen for you. 그대 닮은 말투와 그대 닮은 버릇까지 Your way of speaking and even your habits are found from him. 사랑은 사랑으로 못 지우나봐요 그 사람만 보면 그대 생각이나 Love seems not to be cured by another love. He always reminds me of you. 미안해요 그대 없인 안되는 바보인가봐 I’m sorry. I’m probably a fool who can’t do anything without you.
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내일부<strike>턱</strike>터 이틀동안 휴가예요

휴가가 너무 좋습니다! ㅎㅎㅎ ...너무 신난다.

내일은 늦잠도 잘 수 있어요, 훗훗훗 ...그리고 <strike>희</strike>회사일 때문에 오<strike>래</strike>랫동안 못 만난 친구들도 볼 수 있어요. <strike>어디를</strike>(놀러 or somewhere)가서 제가 좋아하는 음식도 먹으려고요 ㅋㅋㅋ ...이틀동안 제가 <strike>그</strike>전에 하고 싶은 일이(하고 싶던 걸) 할 만큼 할 거예요. 왜냐하면, 이틀 연속 휴가가 <strike>제</strike>저한테 너무 <strike>조</strike>소중해서요, hehe...아껴야 돼요.

근데 생각해 보면, 2011년 너무 <strike>빨리</strike>빠르게 지내고 있어요, 거의 반<strike>에</strike>을 지냈어요 . 새월<strike>에</strike>이 참 빠<strike>립</strike>릅니다. 나이 또 한 살이 더... =_='''

즐거운 하루<strike>가</strike> 되세요! ^_^

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이틀동안 제가 그전에 하고 싶은 일이 할 만큼 할 거예요.
이틀동안 그 전에 하고 싶던 일(들)을 실컷 할 거예요.
or 이틀동안 그 전에 못했던 걸 실컷 할 거예요. This sentence is more natural.
Remember, we often omit subject words such as '나, 저, 제, 너, 당신...' in sentences.
Use a subject word only where necessary, or you can use it when you want to stress the subject.

2011년 너무 빨리게 지내고 있어요, 거의 반에 지냈어요 .
2011년이 너무 빠르게 지나가고 있어요. 거의 반이 이났어요.
or 2011년을 너무 바쁘게 지내고 있어요. ... Either of the blue is possible.

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한국어 잘하시네요!!

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