No, I am not arguing for the grammar centric approach. That is fully focused on grammar and very little else. I am only arguing that the language acquisition method can leave a student lacking some grammatical knowledge if they want the language to go on to in-depth study of that language. There are levels of language learning as we all have different reasons for learning them. That was my point.

I am not taking any theoretical standpoint on this. I don't even teach based on theory. I am simply using my own experiences.

I think finding a serious partner is not as easy as people think it should be. Many are eager at first but don't sustain it. Not all people can communicate well, or get along, so it really is a process of trial and error.

I am not sure about ability. We all learn language yes, but we are talking about second language in adulthood. The literature says all kinds of things - as academic literature always does. But I do know from my own experiences as a learner and a teacher that every individual has a style which works better for them. As fro grammar, I am mostly talking about the level of grammar knowledge that is needed for a university or graduate student in a subject very reliant on that language (English or Arabic literature, history, social research etc.).

Less sir, it's more female related and to do with gender politics as I said.

No-one likes grammar. Even teachers don't like grammar. But, unfortunately, it is a necessary evil in language learning. There are ways to make it more interesting, language acquisition may help somewhat (which is the method btw that I am learning Arabic), but at some point if a serious study of the language is wanted (as opposed to just conversational skills) then some grammar revision may be needed.