Which of the two sentences below is better? Please click.
A. The late Dr. John of Cambridge University *enjoyed a high prestige in the Chinese academic circles.
B. The late Dr. John of Cambridge University *has enjoyed a high prestige in the Chinese academic circles.
A, is the sentence I read from my textbook written by Chinese scholars. But, since the doctor's prestige still exists, even after his passing away.For example, Einstein, no one can say he was only prestigeous when he was alive, so can I just use the past tense as 'enjoyed prestige'? So I rewrote it into B. Is B a better expression? Or are there some other expressions that are most suitable?
Thank you!
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A. is correct. B is wrong for the reasons outlined above.
I respectfully submit that Denis is also incorrect to offer that using either of these sentences suggests that Dr. John had enjoyed a high prestige up until now but no longer does. "Has enjoyed" and "has been enjoying" (present perfect continuous) would as suggest enjoyment immediately up until the present (now), but would not suggest that said enjoyment has terminated.
To say that Dr. John enjoyed a high prestige up until now but no longer does, it would be acceptable to say, "The late Dr. John of Cambridge University, had enjoyed a high prestige... or "had been enjoying..."
However, I do not concur that Cherry's alternative C is correct, but for a different reason. By saying "has enjoyed" or even "has been enjoying" suggests that he still continues to enjoy the benefits, which can no longer be the case as the man is now deceased and not enjoying anything except a long eternal slumber.
For what I believe you are trying to say, "The late Dr. John of Cambridge University, enjoyed a high prestige..." is the best approach.
To Denis - I already pointed out that present perfect continuous does not make sense here in my ORIGINAL POST, so stop trying to argue this point.
Meanwhile, you were simply wrong in saying:
Using "has enjoyed" or '"has been enjoying" might indicate that he had enjoyed a high prestige up until now but no longer does. It would suggest that he recently died.
This is simply an incorrect statement. You are wrong that these phrases suggest he recently died, or that he no longer enjoys a high prestige. (HINT: CHANGE THE WORD "HAS" TO "HAD"). Your improper use of grammar is particularly dangerous when you are attempting to coach or teach someone who may not recognize your errors.
Cherry caught on and corrected herself unlike you. Look at her second post. She has wisely changed her suggestion. Good luck with your grammar struggles.
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Ok Joseph ,I don't know this guy and I didn't know he was dead ,so in this case using the alternative "C" would be totally wrong ,because as pjc845 said it would mean he is still enjoying them since then.
Since he is dead then A is right , B is wrong.
Another 'C' alternative would be :
"The late Dr. John of Cambridge University used to enjoy a high prestige in the Chinese academic circles".
Because although this prestige is still for others to acknowledge the action of enjoying it by him is not present now, it is a past action.
Using "used to " refers to the extended action of enjoyment in the past.
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*The word "enjoy" would suggest that the late Dr. receives some benefits from his prestige.
Prestige is a word that suggests influence because of high social standing.
The late Dr. John of Cambridge University *enjoyed a high prestige in Chinese academic circles.
This is correct.
In the past he did enjoy the benefits of his high prestige, but he no longer does since he is no longer alive.
Using "has enjoyed" or '"has been enjoying" might indicate that he had enjoyed a high prestige up until now but no longer does. It would suggest that he recently died.
If you want to suggest that the late Dr. John is still held in high esteem in Chinese academic circles because of his work you might use the present tense but not the verb "enjoy".
The work of the late Dr. John of Cambridge University is still highly esteemed in Chinese academic circles.
That is how I would say it in one sentence.
In response to pjc 845. He is wrong about the present perfect tense because if he is enjoying it up until now and he is no longer alive, then he would have to have died very recently. It is obvious already that he is no longer enjoying it because he is the late Dr. John. :) The present perfect is wrong here because without more information it would lead to confusion.
Cherry is also wrong because it is obvious that he no longer enjoys a hight prestige because he is no longer alive.
Sonal has the right idea.
pjc845...you simply don't understand the question that was posed nor my response to it... but that's okay! We are all entitled to our opinions.
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Hi Josheph, its very simple! A is the perfect spoken sentence. In sentence A- *enjoyed* Simple past is used- why? because the person is not alive he died in the PAST. And in his rememberence they are using Simple Past as *he enjoyed*. Sentence B is absolutely baseless what does a PRESENT perfect means the present which has been just finished. e.g, if Mr. John would be alive and on his farewell program, he also would be present in the hall and if it would be announced that, *he has enjoyed---* then its just perfect.
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Hi Joseph ,
I clicked but nothing happened;)
-B is certainly wrong . Using the present perfect tense indicates an action that started in the near past and still extends in the present ,which is not the case with Dr. John.
-A could be right and the sentence would refer to something occurring in the past at the moment when Dr John enjoyed that prestige.
- C * another alternative* would be:
The late Dr. John of Cambridge University has been enjoying a high prestige in the Chinese academic circles since -----
Here the "present perfect continuous" refers to the fact that Dr. John enjoyed this prestige since some time in the past and is still enjoying it in the present .It is important in this context to mention when this action started taking place ,hence using "since".
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