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Analysis of yehat' - yezdit/ idti - hodit' I am having some problems understanding the rules about exactly when to use the perfective and imperfective version of verbs of motion. It is clear that when you want to do something one time, or many times when to use the particular verb, however in some circumstance this is not accurate. Take for example this paragraph: Каждую субботу мы с друзьями ходим в джаз-клуб. Обычно мы выходим из дома часов в 8 вечера. Мы идем к станции метро, садимся на метро и едим до центра. So this is about doing something regularly, in each of the circumstances... - travelling to the jazz club, leaving from home, travelling toward the metro station, and travelling by transport to the centre. However in the example about travelling toward the metro station regularly the verb идем is used and travelling to the centre regularly the verb едим which seems to break the rule of using the yezdit, hodit pair for regular actions. Any help or explanation about this would be appreciated.

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Analysis of yehat' - yezdit/ idti - hodit'

I am having some problems understanding the rules about exactly when to use the perfective and imperfective version of verbs of motion. It is clear that when you want to do something one time, or many times when to use the particular verb, however in some circumstance this is not accurate. Take for example this paragraph:

Каждую субботу мы с друзьями идём в джаз-клуб. Обычно мы выходим из дома часов в 8 вечера. Мы идем к станции метро, садимся на метро и едим до центра.

So this is about doing something regularly, in each of the circumstances... - travelling to the jazz club, leaving from home, travelling toward the metro station, and travelling by transport to the centre. However in the example about travelling toward the metro station regularly the verb идем is used and travelling to the centre regularly the verb едим which seems to break the rule of using the yezdit, hodit pair for regular actions.

Any help or explanation about this would be appreciated.

austen,

(A)
1. "I drink coffee each morning. I have a shower each morning."
2. "Each morning I drink coffee. Each morning I have a shower."
3. "In the mornings I drink coffee. Also I wake up, have a shower... "

(B)
1."to make coffee I go to the coffee maker, add the filter in, ..." (an instruction)
2."In the morning I wake up, I have a shower and make some coffee. "

(A) were meant to be unsorted lists of events. You can't add 'then' between two statements starting with "each morning".

In (B) (I can't be sure if I used the proper tenses!!! I have no idea if simple present fits here:/) it is a sequence of events. I believe in (B) your mind "lives' within a time flow of a single typical day.
Events start and end one after another in your mind. Nothing like thas happens when you 'list' you typical activities in (A).

At least in my Russian mind 'хожу на работу' CAN NOT happen after 'хожу гулять'. They are both 'habitual'. B1 would go this way in Russian:
"to make coffee I'm going to the coffee maker [then] I'm addind the filter in, ..."
B2. "In the morning I'm waking up, [then] I'm having a shower and [then I am] making some coffee."

You can say
"мы ходим к метро" in Russian. It is strange though, because it is not much informative. It is like "I wear glasses". I can imagine it in some contexts of course.
But a sequence of events forses us t use 'идём' instead.

Examples:
John: "What do you do when you are sad?"
Mary: "I go to the cinema".
Here a Russian can reply both

— Я хожу в кино.
(we often style dialigues this way) Means:
"it is my habit to go to the cinema when I'm sad". Even implies: "unlike others... e.g. those who fight it with drinking".
and:
— Я иду в кино.
Means: when I notice that I'm in this condition, I out my dress on and go to the cinema.
Mary's mind functions differently in these two cases, She imagines different things, She means and implies different things.

But if Mary had mentioned 'putting dress on' in the original reply, it would be a sequence and "иду" would be the only option.

Another one:
"По утрам я встаю, иду в душ, а затем варю кофе. А еще я хожу гулять с собакой".

The perfective/imperfective difference only matters in the first statement "Обычно мы выходим". The following statements describe common facts (route taken), so there is no *need* to indicate the "aspect" of verbs. In fact emphasising the perfectiveness once again would sound weird. An English example: "Tomorrow, as always, I will go to a jazz club. To that club, I travel by subway..." <- future tense is used only in the first part of the statement, then you switch to "neutral" present describing a common fact.

Каждую субботу мы с друзьями ходим в джаз-клуб. Обычно мы выходим из дома часов в 8 вечера. Мы идем к станции метро, садимся на метро и едем до центра.

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Hi, Austen! As I've got it right, you are having problems with the difference between hodit'/ idti and yezdit' /yehat'. It's sometimes difficult even for a russian. You can say каждую субботу мы с друзьями ходим в джаз-клуб. And it would be all right. But you can't say in your example мы садимся на метро и ездим до центра. Едем is more appropriate in that case. It's едем but not едим. In your example verb yehat' is used to emphasize the process of doing something (мы выходим, идём, садимся и едем) the same way as idti. Verbs yezdit'/hodit' not the process but regular action.

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